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		<title>By: Fernando Gros</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-58425</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando Gros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jay - thanks for your comments!  I appreciate your thinking about how simple moves can make a big difference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jay — thanks for your comments!  I appreciate your thinking about how simple moves can make a big difference!</p>
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		<title>By: jay upp</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-58195</link>
		<dc:creator>jay upp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey fernmeister, its been awhile but since the school district i work for shut down the HC forums on me, i needed something, so i turn to you, i like your conversations much better anyway.  You have to be one of the great theological insightists i&#039;ve read.  the horrible thing about the lack of creativity after youth groups is that the church will simply not overhaul its approach to ministry.  cell groups are great but meeting once a month or once a week and sharing, its just not enough (as mentioned so eliquently by yourself).  there has to be a creative platform funnel that feeds into &quot;former youth groupie&quot; counterculture people (aka 20 and 30 somethings).  it should be relational in value but should also have a fullness such as most youthgroups do. when i ponder what youthgroup was to me, it wasn&#039;t merely a social faction of my pubescent life, it was soul searching, finding out who God was, and service to others.  americans have trouble with the last one.  we do a christmas handout once a year or a missions trip, but do we go to the store and buy diapers and frekin soap and take it to someone who we know desperately needs it? Jesus said in fact that Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends, should this mean that if a friend who i am trying to reach for Christ has a need that far exceeds my own, that i should give to him what he needs, i think that is the point Jesus wanted to make i mean he gave the ultimate sacrafice.  and i can honestly tell you that if i wasn&#039;t serving Jesus and someone who was helped my out of a rough spot, i would be moved.  this is just a small part of things, but creativity can be found in servantry, thinking and keeping an open ear for needs.  as experienced in my own life and mentioned before, 20&#039;s and 30&#039;s something, do have it rough, paying off college debt, home buying, child rearing, it can be overwhelming.  alot of people want relaxation when not involved with everyday duties, i.e. movies, music, sports whatever.  does the current church provide these things on a sunday morning?  is sunday morning even a convient time?  recently i&#039;ve heard of churches being on saturday nights.  that is what i&#039;m talking about, sign me up.  simple moves can move the church into a relevant thing that is outside and beyond the normal perception of church beyond the youth group. it should be a place that holds the fire burning from times of good memories from youth events, something that can interestingly capture that atmosphere but create new ones.  wow i&#039;ve rambled on to long and probab;y none of it makes sense.  ta ta for now! dzupp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey fernmeister, its been awhile but since the school district i work for shut down the HC forums on me, i needed something, so i turn to you, i like your conversations much better anyway.  You have to be one of the great theological insightists i’ve read.  the horrible thing about the lack of creativity after youth groups is that the church will simply not overhaul its approach to ministry.  cell groups are great but meeting once a month or once a week and sharing, its just not enough (as mentioned so eliquently by yourself).  there has to be a creative platform funnel that feeds into “former youth groupie” counterculture people (aka 20 and 30 somethings).  it should be relational in value but should also have a fullness such as most youthgroups do. when i ponder what youthgroup was to me, it wasn’t merely a social faction of my pubescent life, it was soul searching, finding out who God was, and service to others.  americans have trouble with the last one.  we do a christmas handout once a year or a missions trip, but do we go to the store and buy diapers and frekin soap and take it to someone who we know desperately needs it? Jesus said in fact that Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends, should this mean that if a friend who i am trying to reach for Christ has a need that far exceeds my own, that i should give to him what he needs, i think that is the point Jesus wanted to make i mean he gave the ultimate sacrafice.  and i can honestly tell you that if i wasn’t serving Jesus and someone who was helped my out of a rough spot, i would be moved.  this is just a small part of things, but creativity can be found in servantry, thinking and keeping an open ear for needs.  as experienced in my own life and mentioned before, 20’s and 30’s something, do have it rough, paying off college debt, home buying, child rearing, it can be overwhelming.  alot of people want relaxation when not involved with everyday duties, i.e. movies, music, sports whatever.  does the current church provide these things on a sunday morning?  is sunday morning even a convient time?  recently i’ve heard of churches being on saturday nights.  that is what i’m talking about, sign me up.  simple moves can move the church into a relevant thing that is outside and beyond the normal perception of church beyond the youth group. it should be a place that holds the fire burning from times of good memories from youth events, something that can interestingly capture that atmosphere but create new ones.  wow i’ve rambled on to long and probab;y none of it makes sense.  ta ta for now! dzupp</p>
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		<title>By: Twentysomethings Culture &#187; The Blind Beggar</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57377</link>
		<dc:creator>Twentysomethings Culture &#187; The Blind Beggar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: A good post on the subject over at Fernando‚Äôs Desk. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fernando Gros</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57290</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando Gros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, thanks for your observations and I look forward to hearing/reading about the weekend discussions.

Certainly CUs tend to perpetuate the youth ministry stage.  The real crush always seems to come when entering the workforce, then early parenthood.  Home groups can meet some the relational needs and fit into a working schedule, but they can&#039;t really match the drama and creativity.  I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, thanks for your observations and I look forward to hearing/reading about the weekend discussions.</p>
<p>Certainly CUs tend to perpetuate the youth ministry stage.  The real crush always seems to come when entering the workforce, then early parenthood.  Home groups can meet some the relational needs and fit into a working schedule, but they can’t really match the drama and creativity.  I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando Gros</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57286</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando Gros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh thanks for your comments and for making available those stories and accounts.  I found myself on both sides of them, remembering the struggles I&#039;ve been through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh thanks for your comments and for making available those stories and accounts.  I found myself on both sides of them, remembering the struggles I’ve been through.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando Gros</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57285</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando Gros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brodie, thanks for your comment and it&#039;s good to hear the post is helpful.  I&#039;m hoping other people can pick up on this and develop the ideas further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brodie, thanks for your comment and it’s good to hear the post is helpful.  I’m hoping other people can pick up on this and develop the ideas further.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Abbott</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57278</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fernando,

Many churches struggle with the transition of young people from youth group into... whatever.  A few yp find their way into &#039;adult&#039; cell groups or house groups, but I suspect those that manage this generally feel culturally at home there. Many (most?) don&#039;t.  In a way the church is often saved from the issue by young people going away to University.  Here they either fall away from the faith, lacking the external support that the youth group offered, or continue to thrive in churches with high student attendance or the Christian Union - a kind of grown up youth group but with peer leadership.
I suspect that part of the problem you identify is that the entirely appropriate investment of opportunities and creativity in youth work is unmatched in the church experience of most 20-somethings, many of whom are working out the same lifetime sized choices as their non-church friends in terms of career, relationships and faith.
By strange co-incidence I&#039;m away this weekend with about 35 twenty-somethings where I&#039;ll be helping them think about what it means to be community.  I&#039;ll raise some of the issues covered here and report back if anything helpful comes from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fernando,</p>
<p>Many churches struggle with the transition of young people from youth group into… whatever.  A few yp find their way into ‘adult’ cell groups or house groups, but I suspect those that manage this generally feel culturally at home there. Many (most?) don’t.  In a way the church is often saved from the issue by young people going away to University.  Here they either fall away from the faith, lacking the external support that the youth group offered, or continue to thrive in churches with high student attendance or the Christian Union — a kind of grown up youth group but with peer leadership.<br />
I suspect that part of the problem you identify is that the entirely appropriate investment of opportunities and creativity in youth work is unmatched in the church experience of most 20-somethings, many of whom are working out the same lifetime sized choices as their non-church friends in terms of career, relationships and faith.<br />
By strange co-incidence I’m away this weekend with about 35 twenty-somethings where I’ll be helping them think about what it means to be community.  I’ll raise some of the issues covered here and report back if anything helpful comes from it.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57266</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>been following your blog for a while. thanks for linking to our stories. much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>been following your blog for a while. thanks for linking to our stories. much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: brodie</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57265</link>
		<dc:creator>brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fernando - I&#039;ve been thinking about a lot of the issues you rais here, so thanks for helping by what you&#039;ve written. Your point about youth who are not cool in the larger soicial setting finding themselves the cool ones at church is particuarly insightful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fernando — I’ve been thinking about a lot of the issues you rais here, so thanks for helping by what you’ve written. Your point about youth who are not cool in the larger soicial setting finding themselves the cool ones at church is particuarly insightful.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando Gros</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57263</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando Gros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  Welcome to the blog and thanks for both your comments and picking up the post on the your blog.  It&#039;s my hope more people blog and write about this, because it has to be one of the biggest practical problems we face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  Welcome to the blog and thanks for both your comments and picking up the post on the your blog.  It’s my hope more people blog and write about this, because it has to be one of the biggest practical problems we face.</p>
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		<title>By: Backyard Missionary &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Faith Reconfigures in Young Adulthood</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57259</link>
		<dc:creator>Backyard Missionary &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Faith Reconfigures in Young Adulthood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is a very useful post here on this topic which we got into fairly seriously a while back. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hamo</title>
		<link>http://fernandogros.com/?p=649&#038;cpage=1#comment-57258</link>
		<dc:creator>hamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your insights here.

The youth drop off rate has been a question on my mind for quite some time.  And the allusion to the emerging church question has somre real currency too i reckon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your insights here.</p>
<p>The youth drop off rate has been a question on my mind for quite some time.  And the allusion to the emerging church question has somre real currency too i reckon.</p>
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